Hi Wizanda, Wat do you mean qouting Paul and the angel of Light? Lets explore that some, especially about the angel of light? I know where you stand on paul somewhat? Tie the two together , but concentrate on the angel of light.. I understand wat you mean, about different faiths seeing a different image, however I think God has a resting image of sorts..It does seem to be tied to the spectator. I wonder wat Jesus sees when he goes into the blinding light, that even angels cant see into at times. What does Yashua see? a form and face? Or does he dissolve into pure energy and visit the father that way?

Your right about God being the central core of everything, I passed thru his pillar of light around 1995, in a out of body thingy..This angel came and got me, but thats another story.. That pillar of light (God) was connected to everything and sustained evrything. I suspect that is why since then, I can see and figure things out so fast. Sometimes I dont just see with my third eye, but am looking thru a thousand eyes, like looking thru Gods eyes, with complete harmony and perfection. It doesnt overwhelm me, but feels cool..I learn quick when that happens. It think this comes from passing thru the Fathers essence and energy like that. I dont know, for being such an awesome force, it has certianly has intimacy, and lots of character.

I read that about Zan being a sickle, your turn will come, like the rest of us, when the new jerusalem comes to earth.Thats when the spirit is poured out WITHOUT MEASURE..I think the 3 of us are qualified for very high levels in this coming kingdom.. It will be graet if we could hook up in a heavnly ufo and go fetch some souls for the kingdom..I pray for that to happen, in Yashuas name. amen

So you see about Lucifer going to Job, this does nail him down as an entity for sure..You didnt come across real clear with that . What do you mean, no superforce leading it? See wat I mean? Ya lost me there..All I know is lucifer is a false light hiding in the astral planes over earth, and satan, his carnal couterpart is hiding in the dark astral planes over earth.. They both work diligently to make lies in there areas of influence. By working 144,000 astral planes, and mass producing satanists on earth, the combined spiritual energy produced from trillions of players has created a superfoce of some type.. I do belive without this, there would be no force. The bigger darkness gets, the stronger it gets..I feel the only way sin can die, is to grow big, mature into insanity, and then die in the lake of fire.

So when you say ther is no satan, you mean a superforce independent of all of this? You might be right, but the way you say it, sounds like your saying there is no entity that works to create this superforce. Thats the way it reads, and thats why I had to doublecheck that. I suspect others have done the same. Unfortunalty this misunderstanding cancels out a lot of good your trying to get out. This follows with some other subjects too, quite a few actually. Are you dislexix? lol I dont know Wiz, ya need to speak in plain english, and keep it simple. Because some of us will catch it with a check, and spin ya back right.. but wat happens when others cant do that, and they could get confused and leave..keep it simple and straight..After all I am just a 55 yr old kid! lol

So now that we know satan is real, as an entity, should we go kick his butt, using the power of Yashua..1 cor4:5 "dont run ahead of the Lord". Thats wat the spirit just told me..

I think, part of the problem is they are sacrificing thousands of babys a yr at crucial times, on major vortexs on earth. That magnectic impulse ofritual death is injected into the matrx, to make things darker and more chaotic. And we see it all around us, in our dealings, and human quickening, to the end. They are building a force that hangs in the matrix and watches things. Thats why you, and David, and I; are so hemmed up..I see it, I feel it, and I know it; and I am at war with it..It watches us!

Sacrificing the tens of thousands of babys into the grids these last 20 yrs is having an effect.There is a force, but they have created it by doing these things. But there is also an entity called Lucifer/satan who are the masterminds behind this..I am glad to see you understand all of this. That makes me relaxed agian..

Now their was much more in my thread about the new jerusalem, find out some more to ask me about? And thanks Wiz, for humbly presenting the spin, in an easier light to follow.lol "spin city" aint got nothin on us..lol

Ok the reason I say the angel of light like that, is: Paul is the person who came up with that.
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Now all the way through the bible God sends angels of light, Christ appeared as an angel of light. Who was telling Paul to stop going the way he was going us? God and our angels!
Paul was just stubborn and felt he knew best as it said the opposite to what he thought he was supposed to be doing, he said it was Satan.
You have got to be careful with all that Paul says, he is the Anti-Christ, in some ways it might seem he was trying to help.
Yet he doesn't! He wasn't a prophet who said he was allowed to prophecies and tell you how the after life works?
He fulfills a fake prophet by Jeremiah 23 by saying the oracle of the lord, quoting his neighbours words as if his own. He joins parts of his neighbour's words and makes it into new issues, he wished to express.
Paul said if an angel comes and teaches a different Christ don't believe him, lol.
Now with the fact that Paul contradicts Christ teachings in the gospels by the disciples, who would you trust an angel or anything Paul says.
Now what Christ sees of God, is as I would and the other elders/masters as we all sit as intercessors for the information coming from the lower levels; as to form it into logical code for God, to save God's time. As for God image, really he doesn't have one, yet you will see the most perfect face you can imagine as I did, yet this is only as I wanted to. Really as the commandment states no image, as to a dog, God would be a dog. God is perfect to all of his creations if we call him a father, is God not also a father to all living creatures?

Anyway where does bad come from? Ego, people thinking they are doing good when in fact they are not.
What were the people in hell therefore?
Ego!
What does it say in job where Satan (not Lucifer) comes from?
Walking the earth!
Who walks the earth?
Man
In Genesis who made eve eat the fruit?
A snake
What does Satan mean?
The accuser
What does Paul do in his extra rules and judgements?
Accuse
Who gets kicked out of heaven?
Paul, John, and Peter's Pharisee doctrine
I hope I am making sense?
What I am trying to say is the devil is made up, it is there to scare you; yet in doing so it also produces more egos.
Heaven is oneness (one us); hell is ego!

Oh and as for the two separate lights they are like this, one you have a true follower of God. Two you have those who will say man is God, read the workers of iniquity article this may help you see. In fact read most of my articles on it all. I am trying my best to do what I started on Christian links, yet this time dissecting it in to easy bite size portions. I will continue until I have explain ever nook and cranny that the Pharisees have added to.

Have you ever looked at the snare in Isaiah foretold? Well this is it, the book's of John, Paul and Simon, Peter which means stone and so he miss taught those and was the stone of stumbling and rock of offense to the house of Israel. As Simon should never have taught people in the name of Christ's faith, yet in the faith of God as he was told on numerous occasions to do. Christ was and is the plummet stone, used to measure the temple. His words are a light and following them alone is a measurement of who understands and doesn't; those of the Pharisees I am saying are seriously misguided. The stone of stumbling its self, is a perfect example of this, in Isaiah it says God is this, and they change it to Christ. As the only lord and savoir is God as without God there is nothing. Don't believe the John (dragon bit, read article) Christ was God and made everything, as God did.
Trust prophets who are sent, and teach oneness not those who teach 'I am' as there is only one 'I am' and that is God.

Anyway I am going on to much on different subject's that really should be made into separate threads. So any question you have on any subject here; you want me to explain. Start a thread and we can try and keep it simple for everyone. Both sheep and goats are simple and we must not confuse them else they run the other way.

What I am saying is the devil is made up..

Luke 10:18- Yashuas own words, "and I saw satan fall from heaven".. Fisrt you qoute a verses saying hes real, then turn around and says hes not real, that theres only ego. You seem to be a mutiple personality. One saying one thing and another saying another thing..